PSYCHOPATHY and THE US PRESIDENTS
According to Prof. Kevin Dutton, Fearless Dominance and Impulsive Antisociality are markers of psychopathy. But I see things differently, due to my experience of living with psychopaths. Those are not psychopathic traits. Psychopaths are consistently antisocial. Empaths are impulsively antisocial. Anybody can show fearless dominance.
The Presidents: A League Table of Psychopathic Traits
John F Kennedy
William Clinton
Andrew Jackson
Theodore Roosevelt
Lyndon B Johnson
Franklin D Roosevelt
Chester Arthur
George W Bush
Ronald Reagan
Richard Nixon
Andrew Johnson
James Polk
John Adams
John Tyler
Martin van Buren
Woodrow Wilson
Warren Harding
William Harrison
Benjamin Harrison
James Earl Carter
Zachary Taylor
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Ulysses S Grant
John Q Adams
Dwight D Eisenhower
Gerald Ford
Abraham Lincoln
James Garfield
Harry S Truman
Herbert Hoover
Franklin Pierce
James Madison
Calvin Coolidge
George H Bush
Grover Cleveland
James Buchanan
William Taft
Rutherford Hayes
James Monroe
Millard Fillmore
William McKinley
Excerpt from KevinDutton.co.uk
My insight into human nature in general, and psychopaths in particular, has me usually disputing pretty much everything Kevin Dutton says. In fact, I believe he is a psychopath himself. After a bit of research, I can see that he is rather justified in putting the Presidents in this order.
James, 
No Psychos, No Druggies, No Stooges 
James 16:50 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Really??? Don’t you think he, as an Oxford / Cambridge (I forget which, but they’re two of the best universities in the world regardless) professor may know more about psychopathy than you? Unless you can point me to one or more of his peers (other psychopathy experts like Hare, Stout, Babiak, et al…) who strongly rebuke his work, I don’t see why anybody should take your word over his.
In his TV / YouTube appearances, he is very clearly not a psychopath (perhaps it takes one to know one) though he does definitely have a boner for them.
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 22:29 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
I seriously don’t give a fuck about university credits and studying psychopaths in a book, then having some safe clinical sessions with them – that doesn’t make him more of an expert. I have lived with psychopaths my entire life – well over 40 years. I live with a psychopath now for the purpose of study. It is clearly not a safe, controlled environment. Dutton’s sterile experience with psychopaths pales by comparison.
I say what I think. This is a blog of opinions. James, this is a world of opinions. Psychopaths like to be contrary just for the sake of it – so you very well prove again and again. You don’t have to take my word for anything. You don’t have to take anybody’s word for anything. That’s the great thing about having intelligence.
In any case, Dutton being a psychopath, or a wannabe, can bite me. For a fact.
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James 22:37 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Such anger… no wonder you’re not a real scientist.
I am contrary by nature, but believe it or not I’m not just criticising you for the sake of it. If you read my comments, you’d see they pertain to a reasoned argument, not just an aimless attack.
You’re not a psychopathy expert (as if the readers can’t work that out for themselves), you’re just not. So quit pretending.
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 22:39 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
I am a real scientist. Why do you always read me as being angry? Very weird. Anyway, I like being misread. Things like that work to my benefit, as you probably know the same about yourself.
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James 23:05 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Hmm, noooo. If you’re being misread, it means you’re not being clear enough and your message is being lost. Duhhhh. Or do you intentionally want to deceive your readers? Manipulate them into working for your benefit?
What’s the validity and reliability of your roomie experiment? (whatever that involves; sounds like some sick psycho stuff to me) When will it be submitted for peer review. What is your hypothesis? (that question should’ve come first but fuck reordering things).
As for the anger, the swearing did it. The general tone of your writing. The repetition for angry emphasis. The sarcasm. Such anger. I may have to seek counselling, I think I got PTSD from that brutal tongue-lashing. Seriously.
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James 23:16 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
That better not be an “I can’t be bothered replying because I’m beaten” like. You always have a comeback, so fire away.
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 23:18 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Swearing does not always equal anger. It was just the quickest way of getting my point across that I just don’t care to the maximum. I have to put more smiley faces.
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James 23:22 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
If you put more smiley faces, you’d just look like a Mean Girl, killing with a smile 🙂
Manipulator, you know you are.
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 23:22 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
The roomie experiment – how long can I fool him into thinking that I don’t know… I truly expect him to turn into my enemy when I reveal that I know he’s wearing a mask. What do you think – will he push me away?
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James 23:29 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Is that really all it is? Laaaaammee. You could do so much more, with a semi-conscious psychopath at your fingertips than merely play a game of charades you’ve done before.
I don’t know how he’ll react, depends if he considers you a threat. He might bash your brains in and put you under the floorboards. You’d better hurry up and find out, some of us can’t stand the tension.
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 23:37 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
I might bash his brains in, too, maybe my motives aren’t what I say they are….lol smiley face
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James 23:41 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Now we’re talking. What’s the goss?
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nowve666 12:28 on February 11, 2016 Permalink |
So you have a psychopathic roommate, Tina? I guess you just can’t live without us.
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 12:45 on February 11, 2016 Permalink |
I can’t escape. They keep coming into my life. It’s not a big deal to me since I’m pretty good at gray rock. Being boring makes the games stop.
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Amaterasu Solar 22:34 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
The box got too small to click reply, but, no. I’ll never know. As for My canniness… Meh. Lies of some sorts are likely to slip by. Just what sort I’m not sure. But I wouldn’t estimate M’self so far as You indicate You do of Me with that comment. [smile]
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James 23:36 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
The trouble with Others is you don’t realise your own potential. It takes someone like me to estimate your true worth. Remember I’m expert at reading and valuing people, so if I say you’re too sly to lie to, it’s a compliment worth accepting 🙂
On a less complimentary note, do you actually hate smiley faces?
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Amaterasu Solar 13:51 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
[smile] If offered honestly, I humbly accept the compliment. But as You know, with psychopaths, One never knows. [shrug]
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James 14:04 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
See, you prove my point! You’re so suspicious!
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Amaterasu Solar 14:07 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
Having gotten a clue about psychopathic behavior, I think it unwise to not at least give some probability of insincerity. Don’t You think that is the best path? [smile]
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James 14:13 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
I would expect nothing less, dear Amy.
Though I would advise you to question why I would go out of my way to be insincere for no gain.
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Amaterasu Solar 14:16 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
I always give some probability of a gain I cannot yet see… I do give highest probability – and by a fair margin – to the sincerity of Your statements of Your observation of Me. Again, thank You. [smile]
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James 14:19 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
You are most welcome.
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 15:30 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
For the fun
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James 15:45 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
What ‘fun’ is there to be had in this?
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 15:47 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
This brings up an interesting point – I know a lot of psychopaths who lie for no reason, even when the truth would serve them better. But the difference is that they were in masked mode with me, not openly psychopath. Do you tend to do the pathological lying only with people who you are targeting?
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James 16:03 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
It’s hard to know when I’m lying and when I’m not. There’s not a big qualitative difference between the two.
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 16:11 on May 27, 2015 Permalink
I can’t stop laughing right now. I seriously can’t relate to your sense of reality. It’s funny to me but I don’t know why. Is it cute? Is it innocence? What is making me laugh?
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James 16:38 on May 27, 2015 Permalink
Fuck off 😀
I laugh at some empath behaviour, it’s just a natural reaction to something we can’t comprehend.
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nowve666 12:32 on February 11, 2016 Permalink
I get that.
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James 19:40 on February 11, 2016 Permalink
Liking every single one of my comments on here is fucking stupid. It’s not in the least bit flattering, or endearing.
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nowve666 19:58 on February 11, 2016 Permalink
I did not like all of them, you little snot!
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James 20:43 on February 11, 2016 Permalink
Just most.
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nowve666 21:08 on February 11, 2016 Permalink
Tina liked as many comments as I did and I don’t see you going all psychobitch on her. What really pissed me off was the implication that I am kissing up to you. I am SO NOT!
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James 07:57 on February 12, 2016 Permalink
Go cry about it on your own blog. Write a pretty article if you will.
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nowve666 08:12 on February 12, 2016 Permalink
Will you contemplate getting over yourself? Nobody is “crying” over you. You are the one who is acting all butthurt over nothing. Just what is your damage?
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James 08:43 on February 12, 2016 Permalink
“Will you contemplate getting over yourself?” No, can’t do that. But neither can you, no biggie.
9 lots of “nowve666 liked your comment on psychopathy and the US presidents” tell the story. Not a one-off incident either, you often go on liking sprees on one of my old posts. It’s very funny. Plus all the links to my articles from your blog that come in several times a week. I can definitively say you’re either obsessed with me, or else you’re trying to flatter.
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Amaterasu Solar 14:13 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
Sorry, misread the smiley thing. I started out on the very early web, before any smiley conventions, and discovered that some indication of tone was best, and I started using brackets to enclose emotives. It’s an old habit that will not die. I do it without thinking. [smile]
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James 14:15 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
So you’re a web pioneer in many ways, and older than I thought you might be. [cheeky grin]
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Amaterasu Solar 14:17 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
I am flirting with 60… [smile]
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James 14:18 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
And does he flirt back?
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Amaterasu Solar 14:21 on May 27, 2015 Permalink |
LOL!
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nowve666 12:30 on February 11, 2016 Permalink |
I like the smiley face on the space suit in Blackstar.
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Amaterasu Solar 17:22 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Well I’m having trouble reconciling a president that tried to oust the Fed, get the truth out about conspiracy and a few other things, with One who is a psychopath. Kennedy was not perfect, but He gave His life for some rather idealistic efforts, something I would not expect from a pres who was seriously psychopathic.
To Me, George senior ranks at top.
And James, don’t You think One from the auspices of ivy league might have some probability of being controlled opposition, as it were? Just thinking maybe.
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James 19:38 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
I don’t actually have an opinion on which presidents are more or less psychopathic; not being American myself it’s not really a pressing concern. Similarly, Prof. Dutton is not a historian or a political scientist, so he isn’t in a position to talk about the presidents with much legitimacy either! Dutton’s opinion on American history is worth about as much as whatever beliefs he might hold about the nonrepetition of pi’s decimal places or the significance of Socratic dialogue to western civilisation – that is to say very little.
But my main argument is against the general dismissal of Dutton as a reputable academic full stop. My point about him being a psychopathy expert versus Tina and you and I being comparatively ignorant laypeople, therefore he probably knows more about the subject than us, stands true.
To be honest, I think this blog’s recent discrediting of certain public figures as psychopaths (President Obama, then Hillary Clinton, now Kevin Dutton) when no evidence exists to support such extraordinary claims is damaging to its overall credibility and undermines an otherwise serious message.
“don’t You think One from the auspices of ivy league might have some probability of being controlled opposition” – Only if you believe in a wider psychopathic conspiracy. I’m aware some of you do believe in such a thing, but as you know I emphatically do not.
So to answer your question. no I do not think Kevin Dutton is controlled opposition.
But don’t take my word on any of this – I’m the enemy, remember? 🙂
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Amaterasu Solar 20:16 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
I did not say He WAS anything, nor did I try to discredit. I merely asked in there night not be some probability. I also pointed out My disagreement with His first choice. And… BTW, You presume My “layhood.” [smile]
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Amaterasu Solar 20:17 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
typos & failure to proof: I merely asked if there might not be some probability.
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James 20:21 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
“I did not say He WAS anything, nor did I try to discredit.” No, you didn’t 🙂
“I merely asked in there night not be some probability.” And I merely replied that I do not think there is.
“You presume My “layhood.” I do, but it’s pretty clear you’re not a psychology PhD.
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Amaterasu Solar 20:23 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
I am book-smart here. I have never had the opportunity to ask an admitted psychopath questions involving Their thinking processes. [smile] Things I didn’t understand.
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James 20:57 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Hey, being a ‘layperson’ doesn’t mean you’re an idiot. Though would no doubt say your continued fraternisation with an evil psychopath is idiotic 😛
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James 21:12 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Ugh, more typo shit. “though SOME would no doubt say…”
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Amaterasu Solar 21:29 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
I do like You, as I have said. [smile] That may be valueless to You, but it’s true.
I don’t think all psychopaths choose unEthically. Many do though, and that is a problem insofar as They are in control here on this planet.
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James 21:34 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
What about me do you like?
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Amaterasu Solar 22:25 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Your frankness. Or… Seeming frankness. [smile]
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James 22:30 on May 26, 2015 Permalink
You never can tell… though I think you’re too canny by far to get away with lying on your watch.
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 22:35 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
Psychopaths fear that they won’t be liked, but they are actually very likeable, faults and all. They have a stupid hang-up with appearing perfect, and that’s what gets in the way.
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James 23:38 on May 26, 2015 Permalink |
I didn’t see this one before. Interesting observation. One question (you know it, baby!), is it the psychopath himself who is likeable, or the charming mask?
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 23:40 on May 26, 2015 Permalink
My brothers and cousins did not have the mask thing perfected while we were growing up. I have seen the darkness in all it’s glory. They are all very likeable. I actually love those nerds.
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James 23:46 on May 26, 2015 Permalink
This is gonna take some explaining. You should really do a blog post on why you think psychopaths are likeable. Because I was under the impression that what is under the mask was universally hated. I will keep pestering you until I see some results, so you’d better get on it.
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nowve666 12:22 on February 11, 2016 Permalink |
Kevin Dutton really wants to be a psychopath. Once he let some experts tinker with his brain which gave him the experience of psychopathy for half an hour. He loved it but it wore off. He would say so if he really were one.
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nowve666 12:40 on February 11, 2016 Permalink |
Tina! I would love it if you would compile your own list of our presidents and where you would place them on the PCL-R.
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@GeneticPsycho (Tina) 12:48 on February 11, 2016 Permalink |
I would love it too, but that would take extensive research into history and that doesn’t interest me enough. And I don’t have a team of researchers either. I wouldn’t put Kennedy first because they killed him for his empathy.
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nowve666 13:06 on February 11, 2016 Permalink |
On the actually list Prof. Dutton provided, the order is not the order in which they are listed. They have numbers next to their names. Kennedy only scored a 4.
John F Kennedy 4
William Clinton 4
Andrew Jackson 6.5
Theodore Roosevelt 7
Lyndon B Johnson 8.5
Franklin D Roosevelt 7.5
Chester Arthur 9.5
George W Bush 9.5
Ronald Reagan 14
Richard Nixon 17.5
Andrew Johnson 19
James Polk 19
John Adams 22.5
John Tyler 15.5
Martin van Buren 18.5
Woodrow Wilson 19.5
Warren Harding 19.5
William Harrison 19.5
Benjamin Harrison 20
James Earl Carter 23
Zachary Taylor 22
George Washington 21.5
Thomas Jefferson 23
Ulysses S Grant 24
John Q Adams 25.5
Dwight D Eisenhower 24.5
Gerald Ford 25.5
Abraham Lincoln 27
James Garfield 25
Harry S Truman 33
Herbert Hoover 25.5
Franklin Pierce 28
James Madison 29
Calvin Coolidge 30.5
George H Bush 32
Grover Cleveland 33.5
James Buchanan 34.5
William Taft 28
Rutherford Hayes 23.5
James Monroe 35.5
Millard Fillmore 33.5
William McKinley 39.5
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